fight with the epa? >> chris, on this point i think it's very important that this cannot be an issue that's solely inside the beltway. >> right. that's why we're here. >> exactly. i appreciate that. there has to be support, wide support across the country. you know, it's our responsibility, the environmental community, others with an interest to really work on getting that support because you're going up against the toughest industry out there, fossil fuel industry, and it's a toe to toe fight, no question about it. >> the message is simple. we have a clean air act to protect us from pollution. c carbon is pollution -- >> there's an irony here. not only is the president regulated under law but congress had a cheaper solution right on their door step. everybody agrees that the command and control system is going to be more expensive. >> right, right. >> it was congress's choice -- >> but they ran away from it. >> -- to make it more expensive and less effective. >> i want to thank phaedra ellis-lamkins, fr